Third Generation (Continued)
Richard NEALE (John2, Bennett1).
Born abt 1653 in Morwenstow, Cornwall, England. Christened on 24 Nov 1653 in Morwenstow, Cornwall, England. Richard died in 1696; he was 43.
- 1653 England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: Richard Neale
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 24 Nov 1653
Baptism/Christening Place: MORWENSTOW,CORNWALL,ENGLAND
Father's Name: John Neale
Mother's Name: Mary
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: P00213-1
System Origin: England-ODM
Source Film Number: 823602
RESEARCH NOTES:
- Richard NEALE was baptized 24 Nov 1653 in Morwenstow, Cornwall. He married Margaret.
They had the following children:
F i Bridget NEALE was baptized 19 Dec 1679.
F ii Joyce NEALE was baptized 25 Feb 1694 and was buried 2 Jul 1740.
F iii Dorothy NEALE was baptized 8 Jan 1685.
- no marriage or burial listed on the Cornwall OPC site.
- a later burial in 1730 - inconclusive:
Day Month 06-Aug
Year 1730
Parish Or Reg District Morwenstow
Forename Richard
Surname NEALE
Age
Transcriber Notes ref P158/1/2-399
In 1658 when Richard was 5, he married Margaret. Born ca 1655.
RESEARCH NOTES
- perhaps born 1640, died 1696?
They had the following children:
Sidwell NEALE (John2, Bennett1).
Born abt 1655 in Morwenstow, Cornwall, England. Christened on 11 Jul 1655 in Morwenstow, Cornwall, England.
- 1655 England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 for Sidwell Neale
Name: Sidwell Neale
Gender: Female
Baptism/Christening Date: 11 Jul 1655
Baptism/Christening Place: MORWENSTOW,CORNWALL,ENGLAND
Father's Name: John Neale
Mother's Name: Mary
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: P00213-1
System Origin: England-ODM
Source Film Number: 823602
- 1687 England Marriages, 1538–1973
Groom's Name: Anthony Prout
Bride's Name: Sidwell Neale
Marriage Date: 28 Nov 1687
Marriage Place: Morwenstow, Cornwall, England
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I05612-4
System Origin: England-EASy
Source Film Number: 90233
Reference Number: 82
RESEARCH NOTES
- Sidwell NEALE was baptized 11 Jul 1655 in Morwenstow, Cornwall. He/she married Anthony PROUT on Oct 1687 in Morwenstow, Cornwall. No further descendants listed.
- male or female?
On 28 Nov 1687 when Sidwell was 32, she married Anthony PROUT in Morwenstow, Cornwall, England. Born ca 1650.
RESEARCH NOTES
- can’t find baptism on Cornwall OPC site
They had the following children:
Mary NEALE (John2, Bennett1).
Born in 1658 in Morwenstow, Cornwall, England. Christened on 7 Oct 1658 in Morwenstow, Cornwall, England.
- 1658 England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Gender: Female
Baptism/Christening Date: 07 Oct 1658
Baptism/Christening Place: MORWENSTOW,CORNWALL,ENGLAND
Father's Name: John Neale
Mother's Name: Mary
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: P00213-1
System Origin: England-ODM
Source Film Number: 823602
[also Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I03936-5
System Origin: England-EASy
Source Film Number: 90233 ]
RESEARCH NOTES;
- baptism locations vary with source: some say Woofardisworthy Devon, or Morwenstow Cornwall, or Kilkhampton Cornwall? - only record found was for Morwenstow. Checked Woolfardisworthy batch C05219-1 - only 2 Neale children listed (Margett and Anthony, both baptised in 1614).
- http://www.doggrell-family.com/html/2107.htm says Mary Neale, buried 05 Nov 1740
- another Mary Neale died young, might be related? - tombstone transcription, Kilkhampton:
Here lyeth ye body of Mary ye Daughter of Nicholas & Dewans Neale interd on ye 16 of Auguft 1726 in ye13th year of her age
On 11 Aug 1688 when Mary was 30, she married
Hugh ADAMS, son of Henry ADAMS (~1619-1703) & Thomasine N (~1623-1681), in Morwenstow, Cornwall, England.
Born in 1648 in Morwenstow, Cornwall, England. Christened on 19 Nov 1648 in Morwenstow, Cornwall, England. Hugh died in Cornwall, England, in 1697; he was 49. Buried on 19 May 1697 in Morwenstow, Cornwall, England.
- 1648 Baptisms database
Day Month 19-Nov
Year 1648
Parish Or Reg District Morwenstow
Forename Hugh
Surname ADAMS
Sex son
Father Forename Henery
Mother Forename Thomasine
Transcriber Notes ref P158/1/1-1313
- 1688 Marriages database
Day Month 11-Aug
Year 1688
Parish Or Reg District Morwenstow
Groom Fn Hugh
Groom Sn ADAMS
Bride Fn Mary
Bride Sn NEALE
- 1697 - England Deaths and Burials, 1538-1991 for Hugh Adams
Name: Hugh Adams
Gender: Male
Burial Date: 19 May 1697
Burial Place: Morwenstow, Cornwall, England
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I05612-4
System Origin: England-EASy
Source Film Number: 90233
RESEARCH NOTES:
- 5 Children listed.
- there was another Hugh Addams, 12 years younger, baptised 11 Oct 1660 (son of John and Mary) in nearby Kilkhampton who may be another contender for the husband of Mary Neale?
- another researcher shows this Hugh Adams 1660 marrying Mary Neale and lists his parents as John Adams (1609 -1681) and Mary Sharsell ( - 1691) - http://genforum.genealogy.com/adams/messages/20064.html
They had the following children:
Joan NEALE (John2, Bennett1).
Born abt 1660 in Morwenstow, Cornwall, England. Christened on 16 May 1660 in Morwenstow, Cornwall, England. Joan died in Morwenstow, Cornwall, England, on 4 Jan 1670; she was 10.
- Name also spelled Jone.
- 1660 England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: Joan Neale
Gender: Female
Baptism/Christening Date: 16 May 1660
Baptism/Christening Place: MORWENSTOW,CORNWALL,ENGLAND
Death Date: 04 Jan 1670
Father's Name: John Neale
Mother's Name: Mary
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: P00213-1
System Origin: England-ODM
Source Film Number: 823602
Elizabeth NEALE (John2, Bennett1).
Born abt 1664 in Morwenstow, Cornwall, England. Christened on 5 Feb 1664/65 in Morwenstow, Cornwall, England.
- 1664 England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: Elizabeth Neale
Gender: Female
Baptism/Christening Date: 05 Feb 1664
Baptism/Christening Place: Morwenstow, Cornwall, England
Father's Name: John Neale
Mother's Name: Mary
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I03936-5
System Origin: England-EASy
Source Film Number: 90233
System Origin: England-ODM
Source Film Number: 823602
ALSO
- 1665 England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: Elizabeth Neale
Gender: Female
Baptism/Christening Date: 05 Feb 1665 [difference in years no doubt caused by the old calendar]
Baptism/Christening Place: MORWENSTOW,CORNWALL,ENGLAND
Father's Name: John Neale
Mother's Name: Mary
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: P00213-1
System Origin: England-ODM
Source Film Number: 823602
- 1692 "England Marriages, 1538–1973 "
Name: John Trelevin
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Neale
Event Date: 28 Dec 1692
Event Place: Morwenstow, Cornwall, England
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I05612-4
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 90233
Reference ID: 82
RESEARCH NOTES:
- another researcher says that Elizabeth Neale, daughter of John Neale and Mary was born in Buckland Brewer, Devon in 1673 and married a John Trevelen in Morwenstow. However, christening records in Devon show that child died as an infant:
1673 England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 for Elizabeth Neale
Name: Elizabeth Neale
Gender: Female
Baptism/Christening Date: 24 Aug 1673
Baptism/Christening Place: BUCKLAND BREWER,DEVON,ENGLAND
Death Date: 24 Aug 1673 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< [She died the same day she was baptised]
Father's Name: John Neale
Mother's Name: Mary
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C05004-1
System Origin: England-ODM
Source Film Number: 916765
- this same researcher says that this Elizabeth Neal born 1664/65 to John and Mary Neale in Morwenstow (abt 8 or 9 years earlier than the other Elizabeth) , died in Morwenstow in 1670. There is a matching burial record; however, no age or parents/spouse are listed so could be a child or adult, and a Neale by birth or marriage (so does it really apply to this Elizabeth?):
1670 England Deaths and Burials, 1538-1991
Name: Elizabeth Neale
Gender: Female
Burial Date: 12 Oct 1670
Burial Place: Moorwinstow, Cornwall, England
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I04693-9
System Origin: England-EASy
Source Film Number: 90233
Remaining questions: So if both children died young, which Elizabeth Neale married John Treleven on 28 Dec 1692 in Morwenstow? Were both these Elizabeth’s from the same family in spite of different locations, and baptised twice? I don’t yet know if any of the assumptions made are valid (as to dates, locations, parents etc), or if there are other reasons why things were pieced together as they have been. Is there a significance to the Devon location or the year of birth? This still needs to be resolved [I have entered 2 different Elizabeths in this tree for now, with this one tentatively linked to John Treleven as spouse.]
On 28 Dec 1692 when Elizabeth was 28, she married
John TRELEVEN in Morwenstow, Cornwall, England.
Born ca 1670 in Stratton Parish, Cornwall, England.
RESEARCH NOTES:
- this family group probably originated on familysearch.org site (research done by others) - "Pedigree Resource File," database, FamilySearch, entry for John /Treleven/. - 6 children listed. There are 4 different PRF submissions by undisclosed individuals:
- submission ID MMSS-NDF: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.2.1/SGKN-PB9 (John T b 5 Feb 1663; Elizabet N b. 5 Feb 1664]
- submission id: MM7P-4XT: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.2.1/SBMD-5JX
- submission id: MMWD-NJR: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.2.1/SBYT-BQN
- submission id: MMWX-HKW: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.2.1/SBBB-WXT
Other records of interest:
- 1664 "England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975"
Name: Jaun Trelleven
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 14 Feb 1664
Christening Place: BODMIN,CORNWALL,ENGLAND
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Father's Name: Thoms. Trelleven
Mother's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: P00275-1
System Origin: England-ODM
GS Film number: 962600
- 1664 "England, Devon, Parish Registers, 1538-1912"
Name: John Treleven
Event Type: Burial
Event Date: 1664
Event Place: Devon
Age:
Birth Year (Estimated):
Spouse's Name:
Source Reference:
Digital Folder Number: 004634290
- there were other marriages for John and Elizabeth including this one in previous generation:
"England Marriages, 1538–1973 "
Name: John Trelevar
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth
Event Date: 19 Aug 1676
Event Place: Madron,Cornwall,England
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M00169-1
System Origin: England-ODM
GS Film number: 0962269 IT 1, 236552, 254189, 254192, 254193, 254194, 90257
Reference ID:
- Note that records in this time period are very incomplete.
They had the following children: